tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post8178801146583906652..comments2023-12-23T13:25:43.770-08:00Comments on Rob Kremer: Western States Economic Suicide PactRob Kremerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13842508120324878364noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-56070233465873894062008-08-05T13:29:00.000-07:002008-08-05T13:29:00.000-07:00JK: Hey, David, another week has gone by and I’m ...<B>JK:</B> Hey, David, another week has gone by and I’m still waiting for all those peer-reviewed papers proving that CO2 increases from the present can cause dangerous warming.<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>JK<BR/><BR/>Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:10:00 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-49206530910775304282008-07-29T14:10:00.000-07:002008-07-29T14:10:00.000-07:00JK: Hey, David, I’m still waiting for all those p...<B>JK:</B> Hey, David, I’m still waiting for all those peer-reviewed papers proving that CO2 increases from the present can cause dangerous warming.<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>JKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-82268582536062974112008-07-28T10:08:00.000-07:002008-07-28T10:08:00.000-07:00Mr. Afpel,It's carbon monoxide that is dangerous. ...Mr. Afpel,<BR/><BR/>It's carbon monoxide that is dangerous. Read a book.<BR/><BR/>Carbon dioxide is a beneficial gas that promotes plant growth. <BR/><BR/>.OregonGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08096619871119860938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-39678764534280273172008-07-28T00:03:00.000-07:002008-07-28T00:03:00.000-07:00This is amazing to watch the alarmist fool David f...This is amazing to watch the alarmist fool David find new ways to say the same farce. <BR/><BR/>"Science has firmly established that CO2 is the most dangerous of a group of greenhouse gases that are warming our planet, and could well warm it considerably more in future decades." <BR/><BR/>The various groups David likes to place at the alter are doing the same thing. Re-packaging old IPCC assumtions and adding urgency rhetoric to make them sound fresh and even more believable. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"Science has firmly established"???<BR/><BR/>Ha!<BR/><BR/>David, you need oxygen. The CO2 is poluting YOU. <BR/><BR/>"Science" has done no such thing.<BR/><BR/>Any more than the Portland Office of Sustainable Development's <BR/>"report" showed that Portland had shown the city had reduced it's CO2emission to 1991 levels. <BR/>The fraud your religion has perpetrated on a wide front is coming home to roost. <BR/><BR/>Your declaring the "debate over" by rephrasing it as "science has firmly established" is laughable. <BR/><BR/>The debate was never over, science doesn't follow consensus, especially contrived consesus, and you could not be a bigger, loud mouthed fool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-73275449776325282962008-07-26T20:58:00.000-07:002008-07-26T20:58:00.000-07:00David, you never quite got around to addressing th...David, you never quite got around to addressing these little points during our last round of what passes for discussion, and I'm sure that was purely an oversight on your part:<BR/><BR/><I>1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.<BR/><BR/>2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming. <BR/><BR/>3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980).<BR/><BR/>4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.<BR/><BR/>The world has spent $50 billion on global warming since 1990, and we have not found any actual evidence that carbon emissions cause global warming</I><BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, the long-term trend, which is what really matters here, is starting to work against adherents to the Religion of AGW.<BR/><BR/>I look forward to your critique of the total lack of scientific understanding evident in the above statements by Evans. <BR/><BR/>By the way, David, your statement <I>Science has firmly established that CO2 is the most dangerous of a group of greenhouse gases that are warming our planet, and could well warm it considerably more in future decades.</I> is, as I'm sure you're aware, complete BS. Of course, we've been over the numbers, percentages, and relative capacities before.<BR/><BR/>Yet everywhere you go, you insist upon dredging up the same old mythology and presenting it as fact.<BR/><BR/>How many places do you need to go trash your own credibility before you stop trolling blogs?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>After all, he only <I>wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia's compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.<BR/><BR/>FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate data, plant physiology and satellite data.</I> <BR/><BR/>Jump right on in, David. We all breathlessly await your learned enlightenment.MAX Redlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12040240474444763721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-39979421614632437962008-07-26T20:21:00.000-07:002008-07-26T20:21:00.000-07:00Just for fun here are NINE errors that a British c...Just for fun here are NINE errors that a British court found in Al Gore's SciFi movie:<BR/><BR/>IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION ADMINISTRATIVE COURT<BR/>Before : MR JUSTICE BURTON<BR/>.....<BR/>All these 9 'errors' that I now address are not put in the context of the evidence of Professor Carter and the Claimant's case, but by reference to the IPCC report and the evidence of Dr Stott.<BR/><BR/>The 'Errors'<BR/>1. 'Error' 11: Sea level rise of up to 20 feet (7 metres) will be caused by melting of either West<BR/>Antarctica or Greenland in the near future.<BR/><BR/>2. 'Error' 12: Low lying inhabited Pacific atolls are being inundated because of anthropogenic<BR/>global warming.<BR/><BR/>3. 'Error' 18: Shutting down of the "Ocean Conveyor".<BR/><BR/>4. 'Error' 3: Direct coincidence between rise in CO2 in the atmosphere and in temperature, by<BR/>reference to two graphs.<BR/><BR/>5. 'Error' 14: The snows of Kilimanjaro.<BR/><BR/>6. 'Error' 16: Lake Chad etc<BR/><BR/>7. 'Error' 8: Hurricane Katrina.<BR/><BR/>8. 'Error' 15: Death of polar bears.<BR/><BR/>9. 'Error' 13: Coral reefs.<BR/><BR/>Errors are from: cpi.cam.ac.uk/gore/pdf/Al%20Gore%20ruling%20-%2010%20Oct.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-13195848310681634782008-07-26T17:14:00.000-07:002008-07-26T17:14:00.000-07:00David Appell,Oh stop your lying. OK?Remember over ...David Appell,<BR/>Oh stop your lying. OK?<BR/><BR/>Remember over on my blog you actually questioned the assertion that the global warming moonbats wanted to force their beliefs on everyone else and control the world?<BR/><BR/>Remember how you asked for people to prove it?<BR/><BR/>Remember how Max gave you two simple examples (ethenol, flourescent lights) and you simply blew them off?<BR/><BR/>Well now... Now let's just add this to the mix and ask you to shut your mouth.<BR/><BR/>OK?I am Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994485887123561822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-72172785933872871822008-07-26T15:33:00.000-07:002008-07-26T15:33:00.000-07:00David Appell: Have you been living in a cave for...<B>David Appell:</B> Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years? Science has firmly established that CO2 is the most dangerous of a group of greenhouse gases that are warming our planet, and could well warm it considerably more in future decades.<BR/><B>JK:</B> Hey David, We are all still waiting for your proof in the form of a few peer-reviewed papers that prove that CO2 really is a dangerous gas at today’s levels. Absent that proof <B>you have no case that man is causing any harm what so ever</B> and no excuse to hurt millions of people with your grand scheme to destroy the middle class.<BR/><BR/>You might want to review what <B>your main source of climate lies</B> had to admit.<BR/>The web site dedicated to defending Al Gore’s fraudulent “hockey stick” temperature curve, run by a NASA associate of famous loud mouth warmer, Jim Hansen (the guy who, twenty years ago, told congress that we had to deal with the warming problem. The climate is now cooler than the year when he testified.):<BR/><BR/>Realclimate.org/index.php?p=13 :<BR/><I> This is an issue that is often misunderstood in the public sphere and media, so it is worth spending some time to explain it and clarify it. At least three careful ice core studies have shown that <B>CO2 starts to rise about 800 years (600-1000 years) after Antarctic temperature</B> during glacial terminations. These terminations are pronounced warming periods that mark the ends of the ice ages that happen every 100,000 years or so.</I><BR/><BR/><I> Does this prove that CO2 doesn't cause global warming? The answer is no.</I><BR/><BR/><I> The reason has to do with the fact that the warmings take about 5000 years to be complete. The lag is only 800 years. All that the lag shows is that CO2 did not cause the first 800 years of warming, out of the 5000 year trend. <B>The other 4200 years of warming could in fact have been caused by CO2</B>, as far as we can tell from this ice core data. </I> (bold added)<BR/><BR/>Let me point out the key points here:<BR/><B>1. They admit that CO2 did not cause warming:</B><BR/><I> CO2 starts to rise about 800 years (600-1000 years) after Antarctic temperature</I><BR/><BR/><B>2. The only other relevant statement is their petty laughable attempt to cover up the above devastating fact:</B><BR/><I>The other 4200 years of warming could in fact have been caused by CO2</I><BR/>Well yes, it “could in fact have been caused by CO2"<BR/>Or it “could in fact have been caused by” a magic spell cast by the forest people.<BR/>Or it “could in fact have been caused by” <B>whatever started the initial warming simply continuing.</B><BR/><BR/>Which is most rational?<BR/><BR/>So, David, please cough up that peer-reviewed proof that CO2 really is a dangerous greenhouse gas at the current CO2 levels. Or quit pestering us with you unproven speculation.<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>JKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-632909829662704512008-07-26T14:00:00.000-07:002008-07-26T14:00:00.000-07:00> The documents basically assume that > CO2 ...> The documents basically assume that > CO2 reduction is obviously good in > and of itself, no real reason <BR/>> necessary to propose draconian <BR/>> limits on energy use to justify it.<BR/><BR/>Have you been living in a cave for the last 10 years? Science has firmly established that CO2 is the most dangerous of a group of greenhouse gases that are warming our planet, and could well warm it considerably more in future decades.<BR/><BR/>That will affect all aspects of economic life, including our ability to harvest crops and trees and fish.<BR/><BR/>What is the cost of *not* reducing greenhouse gases? You don't even think to ask.David Appellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03318269033139447591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-85131951447726343892008-07-26T13:33:00.000-07:002008-07-26T13:33:00.000-07:00This is the progressives' formal declaration of wa...This is the progressives' formal declaration of war on the poor and middle income.<BR/><BR/>May they rot in hell with their fellow travelers, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro and Gore.<BR/><BR/>But they probably think its all worth it to get us to use Trimeth's energy wasting, CO2 emitting non-service that will probably get a pass.<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>JKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com