tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post6123216694387893420..comments2023-12-23T13:25:43.770-08:00Comments on Rob Kremer: Are they really that small minded?Rob Kremerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13842508120324878364noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-53404015072743574042009-05-20T16:59:58.751-07:002009-05-20T16:59:58.751-07:00Wow, I've been entertained by neanderthals for the...Wow, I've been entertained by neanderthals for the past 30 minutes since discovering this blog. And such politeness. Perhaps we should call on Politeness Man from the ol' National Lampoon to step in and whack a few skulls!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-60590798113272000552009-05-19T22:00:25.419-07:002009-05-19T22:00:25.419-07:00Anon 8:56
I'm not sure why you believe I have ...Anon 8:56 <br /><br />I'm not sure why you believe I have something against our Rights. I have certainly not made any statements to that effect. But I'll play along - as an Democratic Socialist, what rights do I wish to corrode? All of them? Or just specific ones.<br /><br />In addition, the idea that all socialists are alike is...misinformed. Not all Capitalists are the same... not all Socialists are the same. Don't take the easy way out... learn to appreciate the diversity ;)Sabokathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04894858016805854939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-85747368002520732982009-05-19T20:56:49.179-07:002009-05-19T20:56:49.179-07:00Any way you slice it Sabo, a socialist is a social...Any way you slice it Sabo, a socialist is a socialist. What do you have against individual, God-given rights? That's what socialism is designed to corrode.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-34241290669941409792009-05-19T18:27:44.183-07:002009-05-19T18:27:44.183-07:00See, UO embraces who he is... and good luck with...See, UO embraces who he is... and good luck with that dude. <br /><br />Now me... Not a fascist (no matter what the Anons may say) - I would have to say I float somewhere between Democratic Socialism and Libertarian Socialism. I'm a big fan of George Orwell... so maybe an Orwellian socialist. <br /><br />A lefty, but very wary of concentrated authority and power. Sorry Anons, no statism here.Sabokathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04894858016805854939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-50417444520600000762009-05-19T17:11:42.540-07:002009-05-19T17:11:42.540-07:00I'm not afraid to admit I'm a fascist. No big whup...I'm not afraid to admit I'm a fascist. No big whup. John Sweeney, the AFL-CIO chief, is an admitted socialist, like most honest union bigs. Rep. John Conyers was a member of the CP-USA. What about Rep. Bobby Rush? Bill Ayers? Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Give me a break. Sen. Robert Byrd was Grand Keagle of the KKK. Teddy Kennedy ... sorry, not enough space here.UnionOrganizernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-87536594665933878122009-05-19T15:32:50.472-07:002009-05-19T15:32:50.472-07:00Anon 2:52 and Anon 3:05 --
I wrote: Is it possibl...Anon 2:52 and Anon 3:05 --<br /><br />I wrote: <I>Is it possible to address the issue without resulting to name calling and mis-characterization?</I>Ya'll said: <I>Sabobat you are willfully ignorant... You, Sabobat, are a fascist.</I> [Anon 2:52] and <I>Sabobat is nothing more than an Alinskyite troll.</I> [Anon 3:05]<br /><br />A simple "no" to my query would have sufficed. ;)<br /><br />Fascism, as you use it, is simply a pejorative stripped of all historical context and meaning. IF Fascism was simply statism you'd have a point. But it's not, so you don't. Pull out any other single aspect of Fascism and you'll be able to correlate it to just about every political movement and party in the United States. <br /><br />I suppose an example of overly simplistic comparisons would be in order. You are anti-statist (presumably). Anarchists are anti-statist. So, by applying your standards of logic, it would be reasonable to call you an Anarchist.<br /><br />(This should give you pause... not all Lefties are statist, and many Conservatives prefer a statist response to social issues - something they would share in common with Fascism. But, please, don't let me rain on your parade. Willfully ignorant indeed.)Sabokathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04894858016805854939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-73275931387826688552009-05-19T13:33:00.000-07:002009-05-19T13:33:00.000-07:00Look! Shiny!Look! Shiny!Roadrunner'sConsciencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-53068380903291287292009-05-19T10:40:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:40:00.000-07:00Rob - may I call you Rob?Rob - may I call you Rob?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-14923577617136966352009-05-19T09:52:00.000-07:002009-05-19T09:52:00.000-07:00Rob,
It's just wonderful to read the thoughtful c...Rob,<br /><br />It's just wonderful to read the thoughtful comments of those who agree with you. And such impeccable manners!Roadrunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-38535978891721823792009-05-18T15:05:00.000-07:002009-05-18T15:05:00.000-07:00Good point, anon. Fascism also usually has a milit...Good point, anon. Fascism also usually has a militaristic aspect. Insofar as Barack Obama has continued the Bush policy of conduct wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and restarting the Gitmo tribunals, he has adopted the militarism of classic fascism. His economic and regulatory policies, however, are far more fascistic than Bush's.<br /><br />Sabobat is nothing more than an Alinskyite troll. Please do not feed these fascistic trolls - it just fuels their hatred.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-15596923584944217082009-05-18T14:52:00.000-07:002009-05-18T14:52:00.000-07:00Sabobat you are willfully ignorant. Fascism = Stat...Sabobat you are willfully ignorant. Fascism = Statism. The label 'fascist' applies correctly to politicians and those on their food chain who are determined to use the power of government to force folks to serve the means and ends of the state. It is not limited to Democrats. You, Sabobat, are a fascist. Why can't you accept what you and your ilk are - hell bent on using government power to create your version of utopia. It ends up being a dystopia, of course, because fascism denies human nature -- the instinct to be free. You really belong in Venezuela, where Hugo Chavez is your kind of leader. You are certainly out-of-step with this and other conservative blogs that have no use for your fascism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-14051122057813153392009-05-18T14:01:00.000-07:002009-05-18T14:01:00.000-07:00LOL.. not the Liberals are Fascists thing again? ...LOL.. not the Liberals are Fascists thing again? Please. Is it possible to address the issue without resulting to name calling and mis-characterization?Sabokathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04894858016805854939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-75146902478952543912009-05-17T11:42:00.000-07:002009-05-17T11:42:00.000-07:00Roadbat, If you do not cease your Enhanced Interro...Roadbat, If you do not cease your Enhanced Interrogation Techinque comments on conservative blogs, Speaker Pelosi is going to lose it and you are going to be in deep doo-doo. We've had more than enough of your style of fascism over the past 8 years. Isn't it time for you to move on and leave behind the failed comment policies of the past?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-53302796288629378442009-05-17T09:07:00.000-07:002009-05-17T09:07:00.000-07:00Rob calls those who take political considerations ...Rob calls those who take political considerations into account in making their decision about supporting the recall "small minded".<br /><br />Then he declares that he'll take political considerations into account in pulling for the recall to make the ballot, but then fail.<br /><br />So, by his own definition, Rob is small minded.Roadrunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-85875200545996686232009-05-17T00:26:00.000-07:002009-05-17T00:26:00.000-07:00Roadbat is dean in dragRoadbat is dean in dragAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-28046354757009151662009-05-16T23:23:00.000-07:002009-05-16T23:23:00.000-07:00May 16, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Recall Fail says:
May 15,...May 16, 2009 at 10:18 pm<br />Recall Fail says:<br />May 15, 2009 at 12:39 am<br />Dou---baggery aside, this effort is dripping with fail. I, myself, will be enjoying my summer months catching some rays and following this recall as it struggles to get off the ground. <br /><br />Jeff Taylor and Victoria Taft. Two excellent spokespeople. Clowns, the lot of them.<br /><br />TO RECALL FAIL:<br /><br />Lets see, ONLY PROGRESSIVES CAN EXERCISE FREE SPEECH, THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE, TO PETITION OUR GOVERMENT FOR CHANGE….HOW AM I DOING SO SO FAR?<br /><br />Only “BLUE OREGON” can speak for the community.<br /><br />If you choose to debate in this town,and the “company line” is challenged..YOUR A LIB/GAY/ BIGOT HATER..right so far?<br /><br />First of all, on any blog venue in town,that posts that no one showed, only RIGHT-WINGER EXTREMISTS,were there, GOP voter registrations went down, anti-gay signs were seen,and that LARS was there as well..are lying more then SAM.<br /><br />It had it all..GAY/STRAIGHT, LIB/GOP/YOUNG/OLD people that showed, people unannounced running for office, all were there…no one was turned away.<br /><br />Sure as hell, unlike people on “BLUEOREGON”, who chastise and name call ,and then disallow your comments if again the “party line” is crossed.<br /><br />My view talking and listening to people, that all sectors got along, all want to get this city back on track, and were highly motivated to do so.<br /><br />So, when you post against this…think again, people who were there, will think you are dishonest..kind of like the mayor.<br /><br /> Jack PeekAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-47637867305300926312009-05-16T22:51:00.000-07:002009-05-16T22:51:00.000-07:00Anon 757, I assure you, if a lefty radio show host...Anon 757, I assure you, if a lefty radio show host said they'd shoot their daughter if that daughter tried pot, I'd be critical of that person, too.<br /><br />Do you really think that's acceptable?Roadrunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-55272988281316100512009-05-16T19:57:00.000-07:002009-05-16T19:57:00.000-07:00Roadbat is just a typical leftwing double-standard...Roadbat is just a typical leftwing double-standard bearer, continually applying rules to opponents that would never be applied to others. It's straight out of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.<br /><br />So what if this abuse led to the election of conservative-hating leftists in Oregon and elsewhere. So what if The Funny Paper can get away with it because they play monopoly and their advertisers are status quo home-town cheerleaders.<br /><br />Bringing that brand of leftwing hubris to conservative blogs' comment sections, however, is a gross miscalculation. Why? Because we all see through the deliberate abstruseness. And it focuses a bright light on the nature of what radio personality Michael Savage correctly describes as 'a mental disorder.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-86083019866207666452009-05-16T14:35:00.000-07:002009-05-16T14:35:00.000-07:00The basis of my position is this:
No political de...The basis of my position is this:<br /><br />No political debate occurs in a vacuum. In this case, there is Sam Adams behavior, which is certainly questionable, but there is also those opposed to him, whose behavior has also been questionable.<br /><br />If a group of upright, conservative citizens got together and pushed this petition, I can see supporting it. But when they enlist someone of questionable moral character such as Lars "I'll shoot my daughter if she even tries pot" Larson is enlisted to the cause, it changes the equation, because if Sam is removed from office, that will be seen as a victory for Lars "I care so much about Portland and Oregon that I moved to Washington" Larson.Roadrunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-69250474106737647222009-05-16T13:33:00.000-07:002009-05-16T13:33:00.000-07:00Rob, don't blame Jack. He is only pointing out the...Rob, don't blame Jack. He is only pointing out the obvious. Yes, libs are small minded enough to ignore all of the Mayor's transgressions, if it means aligning with anyone from the right. We don’t need to convince conservatives Sam needs to leave, we already get it. <br /><br />The left leadership needs to step forward and lead the charge to bounce this guy. But they won't. They never will. They will be happy to sit back and comment how he should resign. Many are afraid that if a recall fails, they would be in a difficult position. Some would call this the gutless wonder syndrome. <br /><br />Just look at the left's refusal to move Pelosi out as speaker. She is not exactly the link to non-partisan politics Obama has been calling for. Yet she continues to spew her venomous poison, without condemnation from her peers.<br /><br />You are right that Sam may be our best hope for a positive change next election. But he won;t be re-called. Lets hope Portland can survive.Charleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-62788483209863740412009-05-16T11:46:00.000-07:002009-05-16T11:46:00.000-07:00Even as the local left is mired in its cranio-rect...Even as the local left is mired in its cranio-rectal inversion, everyone else is figuring it out.<br /><br />Sticking up for Sambla, Randy Leonard made a total ass of himself on CNN's Situation Room yesterday.<br /><br />And today, the Wall Street Journal tells the inconvenient truth about joblessness in Portland on the front page in an article titled "'Youth Magnet' Cities Hit Midlife Crisis". Link: <A HREF="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124242099361525009.html#mod=todays_us_page_one" REL="nofollow">here.</A>No doubt there will be more to come, as most folks - as the CNN news editors know - rubberneck a coming trainwreck when it is so obvious, in such plain view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-20108219960903024182009-05-15T17:18:00.000-07:002009-05-15T17:18:00.000-07:00I kind of agree with the sentiment that Sam Adams ...I kind of agree with the sentiment that Sam Adams should stay because Portland voters deserve him.<br /><br />If he gets the boot, the smart-growth-developer-cabal will survive and their minions will spin that the recall was about Sam's indiscretions with a minor and not about his agenda. <br /><br />If we're just going to get the same kind of politician anyway, then leave Sam in place so he can continue steering us into the ditch at maximum speed. The sooner that he completely wrecks Portland, the sooner we'll have an opportunity to make some changes. <br /><br />At some point Portland has to be allowed to learn from its failure.<br /><br />Of course, I moved out of Portland/MultCo four years ago so it is a lot easier for me to say it.ClackCoRepubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-67181101559750210712009-05-15T15:01:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:01:00.000-07:00RR:
You don't think it is small minded to automati...RR:<br />You don't think it is small minded to automatically oppose something because someone else with whom you disagree is for it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-16017924142224104412009-05-15T14:24:00.000-07:002009-05-15T14:24:00.000-07:00Rob--
When the wheels come off, it will be Republ...Rob--<br /><br />When the wheels come off, it will be Republicans who will be blamed. First, President Bush. Then, any Republican who voiced doubt over the current vision. That Republicans worked to sabotage our success. And then, don't forget the evil corporations who only want unsustainable profits. If only people were more like the people would could be if we only tried rilly, rillly, rilly hard. <br /><br />Oh, well. When it all comes down on our heads, all we can do is try, try again. <br />.OregonGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08096619871119860938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12596769.post-44748375889983737622009-05-15T14:08:00.000-07:002009-05-15T14:08:00.000-07:00Look! Shiny!Look! Shiny!RoadrunnersConsciencenoreply@blogger.com